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3 +{{expandable summary="We will all become one uniform Mixed Race"}}
4 4  # Myth 1: "We will all blend into one race of mixed-race individuals."
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6 -**Claim:** Over time, humanity will homogenize into one race of mixed-race individuals due to globalization and intermixing.
6 +Claim: Over time, humanity will homogenize into one race of mixed-race individuals due to globalization and intermixing.
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8 -**Rebuttal:**
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10 -* Blending into one race assumes uniform mixing across all populations, which is unlikely due to societal, cultural, and geographical barriers.
11 -* Historical evidence shows that distinct ethnic groups have maintained separate identities for millennia despite some intermixing.
12 -* High birth rates among certain populations mean some ethnic groups will likely persist as dominant demographics in specific regions.
10 +Blending into one race assumes uniform mixing across all populations, which is unlikely due to societal, cultural, and geographical barriers.
11 +Historical evidence shows that distinct ethnic groups have maintained separate identities for millennia despite some intermixing.
12 +High birth rates among certain populations mean some ethnic groups will likely persist as dominant demographics in specific regions.
13 +Explanation: The idea that humanity will blend into one homogenous race oversimplifies the reality of demographic trends. Different populations have maintained their distinct identities for centuries, even under conditions of migration and intermixing. For example, despite centuries of migration into Europe, distinct ethnicities like the Basques or Sami people still exist. Additionally, demographic trends show that fertility rates vary significantly across groups, meaning some populations grow faster than others. For instance, many African and Middle Eastern countries have much higher birth rates than Europe or East Asia, making a global "blending" implausible. Societies naturally form cultural and ethnic distinctions, even when migration occurs
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14 -**Explanation:** The idea that humanity will blend into one homogenous race oversimplifies the reality of demographic trends. Different populations have maintained their distinct identities for centuries, even under conditions of migration and intermixing. For example, despite centuries of migration into Europe, distinct ethnicities like the Basques or Sami people still exist. Additionally, demographic trends show that fertility rates vary significantly across groups, meaning some populations grow faster than others. For instance, many African and Middle Eastern countries have much higher birth rates than Europe or East Asia, making a global "blending" implausible. Societies naturally form cultural and ethnic distinctions, even when migration occurs.
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19 +{{expandable summary="Race doesn't exist"}}
20 +**Claim**: "White as a racial classification doesn't exist"
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22 +**Rebuttal**: White is just short for of European Descent, it doesnt mean skin color
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24 +## Relevant Studies##
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26 +* [[Self Identification of race is over 99% effective|attach:GeneticStructureSelfIdentifiedRaceEthnicityAndConfoundingInCase-ControlAssociationStudies.pdf]] [Study](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1196372/)
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28 +**Explanation**:
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30 +Who is white?
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32 +What constitutes a White person?
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34 +"White" is synonymous with indigenous European. Race is not nationality. Race is genetic.
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36 +Arabs are not White. Persians are not White. Turkic are not White. Jews are not White. Huns/Mongolians are not White. Berbers are not White (but possible were before the invasion of the Arabs). Because these are the closest groups to us genetically, it is possible to be White and have a minority of these genetics. But race mixing is discouraged due to the harmful effects on the offspring and society.
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38 +We use "White" because it is common usage. Indigenous European is a much better term, which you should adopt.
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40 +But aren’t there no clear biological boundaries between races or ethnicities?
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42 +This is known as the continuum fallacy.
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44 +Like many others things in nature, there are no exact boundaries to this concept. Visit a sandy beach, and tell us where the ocean ends and land begins. View a photo of the Andromeda Galaxy, and point to where the galaxy ends, and intergalactic space begins. Where does the color red begin and when does it change to orange? All such boundaries must be arbitrary at some point.
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46 +You devolve into utter nihilism if you try to argue we should not have taxonomy because of this arbitrariness. The human mind works, at a core level, with groupings. Being against categorization based on arbitrariness or social constructionism is to say you think we should not have almost any groupings, including rock formations. There would be few exceptions. Perhaps prime numbers.
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48 +Calling someone "white" or "black" is figurative language. Arguing that people aren't actually "white" like paper is like arguing that people cannot really have "smooth" skin, or could not possible have a "heart of gold," as gold is a metal and can't pump blood.
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50 +If you look white and identify as white, you are white. If you possess so much non white admixture as to feel the need to mention it, you probably aren't white. And if you tell us you aren't white we will believe you. People who self identify as any racial group have been shown to belong to that racial group over 99% of the time.
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18 18  # Myth 2: "You cant determine who is White because people can be mixed, who really is White??"
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20 20  **Claim**: "White as a racial classification doesn't exist"
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50 50  If you look white and identify as white, you are white. If you possess so much non white admixture as to feel the need to mention it, you probably aren't white. And if you tell us you aren't white we will believe you. People who self identify as any racial group have been shown to belong to that racial group over 99% of the time.
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54 54  # Myth 3: "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives don’t harm white men."
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64 64  **Explanation:** This defense of DEI initiatives ignores the tangible harm they cause to individuals. I point to real-world examples where DEI policies lead to explicit discrimination. Companies like Coca-Cola have implemented training programs encouraging employees to "be less white," and countless hiring managers admit they deprioritize white male candidates to meet diversity quotas. These policies often overlook merit and qualifications, instead prioritizing characteristics like race or gender. While addressing historical inequities seems a noble goal, creating new inequalities that disadvantage people today doesn’t solve past injustices—it only shifts the harm to a new group.
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68 68  # Myth 4: "IQ disparities across groups are purely environmental."
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83 83  **Explanation:** While environmental factors such as better nutrition and education do affect IQ, they don’t fully explain group differences. For instance, the Flynn Effect shows that average IQs have risen globally due to environmental improvements, but group differences remain consistent. Genetics play a significant role alongside the environment. Studies on twins, for example, demonstrate that IQ is highly heritable. Ignoring this fact in favor of a purely environmental explanation is intellectually dishonest. It’s not about dismissing environmental factors but about acknowledging the complex interplay of genetics and environment in shaping intelligence.- Study
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87 87  # Myth 5: "We’re all equally 'centered' on the map."
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97 97  **Explanation:** While maps are technically arbitrary in their design, they reflect historical realities. I pointed out that the concept of "the West" isn’t about physical geography but shared cultural, historical, and ethnic ties among European nations. For instance, Europe appears at the center of many maps because European empires dominated global politics and trade for centuries. The geographic "center" reflects historical dominance, not an inherent truth. This is why maps vary based on cultural perspective—what’s arbitrary in design is grounded in historical reality.
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101 101  # Myth 6: "Multicultural empires are models for modern society."
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111 111  **Explanation:** The examples of multicultural empires like the Ottomans and Romans fail to support Aurenvale’s argument. These empires maintain stability through control and segregation rather than true integration. The Ottomans used the millet system to segregate religious groups and maintain hierarchy, while the Romans forcibly assimilated conquered peoples under the dominance of Roman identity. The UAE has a very strict system of governance that you can't partake in if you are a foreigner even. So while the UAE is one of the only examples of "successful" multiculturalism, it retains complete control over its nation by rigid ethnic separation of its people from the foreign people that make up the majority of the population. As for America, it can attribute its success to the homogeneity it maintained from its founding until the [hart celler act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965) These models don’t reflect modern ideals of equality—they relied on structural inequality to sustain their rule. Modern societies aiming for coexistence need entirely different approaches than those used by historical empires.
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115 115  # Myth 7: "Arab nations are part of Western civilization."
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